This is fantastic.

"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr) 03/13/2018 at 08:07 • Filed to: Electric Vehicles, greenhouse gases, pollution, global warming

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The Union of Concerned Scientists !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , based on eGRID 2016 data, GREET 2017 data, and 2017 EV sales.

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Having equivalent well-to-wheels greenhouse gas emissions to a gasoline vehicle getting 80 MPG (or about 2.9 l/100 km) is... honestly really good, especially considering the inefficiency of some of the vehicles included in their data.

When you look at the most efficient electric vehicle you can buy per EPA tests, the Hyundai Ioniq Electric (it wasn’t actually clear from the article what this map covered - there was an implication that it included the Tesla Model 3 LR and (in EV mode) the Toyota Prius Prime, but it looks like it’s just the Ioniq), the map looks like this:

Basically, compared to the most fuel efficient vehicle on gasoline on the EPA tests, the Hyundai Ioniq Blue, there’s only four regions in the country where the EV has higher GHG emissions - HIOA (O‘ahu), MROE (much of Wisconsin, as well as much of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula), SRMW (much of Illinois and Missouri), and SRSO (Georgia, much of Alabama, part of Mississippi and the Florida Panhandle).

random001 > bhtooefr 03/13/2018 at 08:20

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Making that change will be hard for me....

You can’t get a high performance (Like, Corvette performance) EV, even a two seater, for any reasonable price. Otherwise, I very well might consider it. Sigh...

Nakazoto > bhtooefr 03/13/2018 at 09:12

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If Honda could build the Sports EV Concept looking just like it did for under 30 grand, I think we’d have the beginning of something awesome. My problem with EVs (and Hybrids as well) is that 90% of them are ugly and way overpriced. A cheap, affordable, attractive, sports EV would go a long way to getting enthusiasts on board with the movement.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/honda-sports-ev-concept-photos-and-info-news

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > bhtooefr 03/13/2018 at 09:45

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This is largely attributed to cheap and abundant natural gas and the move to it for power generation and away from coal, correct? Gains in wind and solar have an effect as well, especially in certain pockets, but it seems like the big improvements nationwide have come from cleaner burning natural gas.

fintail > bhtooefr 03/13/2018 at 10:14

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Now if only we could get some sweet sweet range. Diesel hybrid, please.

Future next gen S2000 owner > bhtooefr 03/13/2018 at 11:52

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If everything is Good, Better, and Best then nothing is.

TorqueToYield > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 03/13/2018 at 13:10

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Also legacy nuclear and hydro.

I can tell you NJ gets 50% of all it’s electricity from nuclear. Upstate NY has significant hydro and nuclear.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > fintail 03/13/2018 at 16:17

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Any Benz hybrid with a 651 motor. Specifically GLK or GLC would’ve made me part with all of my money. But I would happily accept an E, particularly in wagon form.

Actually I think the 651 is top three for my favorite Benz engines, right up there with 113 and 156.

fintail > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 03/13/2018 at 18:19

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Or a C in wagon form, which is now available in hoserland (gasoline only) of course, and I am a little bitter. C or E diesel hybrid wagon, that’d be one to keep for a long time.

I can attest my E250 is a good car. If the lease end could be based on market value rather than residual, I might buy it out, but as the policy goes now, that’s unlikely. Replacement car might be another, if I can find a full option car in the right colors. The thought of a final run W221 S350 has also crossed my mind, it would need to have the right colors and equipment, too. Otherwise, maybe an E AMG wagon if it can get into my price range, or maybe even a G-Wagen - if they don’t have an amazing deal to re-up a lease. As a unwanted diesel car, the E250 leased very well.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > fintail 03/13/2018 at 19:31

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I know I’m so annoyed we can’t get wagons as easily as everyone else. Let alone diesel hybrid variants. Personally I’d still rather a GLK/GLC just for the ground clearance for deep snow and some forest roads.

221 with a 642? Don’t think I’d go that route. Oil coolers, intake manifolds, timing chains... E AMG wagon is always an excellent option.

fintail > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 03/13/2018 at 21:14

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I wonder if MB will return here with diesel at all. I’ve heard different stories, none of them optimistic. As our roads decay, the thought of something with more clearance and sidewall than even a non-sporty E is appealing - I already dodge all the bumps and ruts and holes. Wish we had a GLC250d.

I’ve heard about the oil coolers, but they have other issues too? No thanks, then. I found a nice 2012 E63 wagon for sale locally - perfectly optioned, but a little miled up and overpriced. I won’t be making a move for many months anyway, but am already looking.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > fintail 03/13/2018 at 23:49

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Exactly. GLC’s with 18" wheels have 60 series sidewalls!

Some years are better than others with the 642. But overall, pretty expensive to keep in good shape and very sensitive to poor maintenance history and subpar parts.

If I were you I’d opt for a 14 or newer E63 so it has 4matic. The power is hardly useable without.

fintail > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 03/13/2018 at 23:56

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I feel like an old fart wanting the taller sidewall, but the crashing ride irks me. The runflats on my 212 also can’t help - if I was buying one, I would switch those out asap. The W221 Bluetec was a left field thought, and you are making me lean against it.

I’d want a 14+ car most, yeah, for the facelift, folding mirrors, etc. Many are barely getting into my price range, but another 8-12 months of depreciation might do it. Someone where I work already has a white wagon, so that could be weird.

I’ve also been thinking G-Wagen, they are expensive and thirsty, but cool and have an insanely high depreciation floor. I don’t like some interior bits of 2002-12 models though, and the 13+ ones are still quite pricey and probably won’t change much in the next while.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > fintail 03/14/2018 at 00:15

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Tall sidewalls are great and I’m not even that old! And run flats are dumb.

So get a black one. Then you both get custom plates. “Yin” and “yang” 

G-wagens are bad and you should feel bad. We don’t want to work on them and they drive like ass. Unless you get one with appropriately narrow tires, certainly not an AMG one unless it’s a 55, then they just drive like trucks. That being said, I wouldn’t mind having one!

fintail > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 03/14/2018 at 09:50

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I blame BMW for getting the runflat trend going. You lose grip and gain road noise so the maker can save a few pounds. If I find an E250 to buy, that will be my first modification. However, I think the odds of finding a full option lux trim E250 in the right colors might be minuscule - when I search autotrader or MB CPO listings, nothing.

Can’t do a black car with the weather here - it can go from spotless to filthy in a 90 second drive. Maybe I’ll need to test a GLC. I look at it as a lifted C wagon, but at the same time it is a little too “mommy” for me - I’d want one fully loaded, too.

I’ve seen some interesting private import G’s around here, including a 2000 or so G320 - two door. They wanted the moon for it, but it was probably worth it, as they virtually don’t depreciate at that age. I find it amusing that they are so thirsty, the AMG only gets like 1 mpg less than standard The wheels have to be the AMG drawback, and probably overly aggressive suspension tuning. I’ve never driven one, only sat in them. The significant update might drive better, but will be many years out of my price range.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > fintail 03/14/2018 at 10:20

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Same. And they wear out faster than most of their non-runflat counterparts. Frankly finding anything with a 651 motor is difficult.

The problem with a GLC is it’s MPG’s. I usually only manage 24-25 hwy when I drive them for a few days. Considering the engine size and number of gears that seems pretty weak to me.

I would avoid grey market imports honestly. When they have issues they can be pretty difficult to figure out. Between having things the US never got, various modifications made to things in order to import it that render wiring diagrams all but useless in some cases, some parts being next to impossible to get, etc. The two downsides to G AMG’s is plastic body trim and wheel width. Specifically wheel width for us because our roads are quite rutted out and wide wheels will wander and pull very badly in deep ruts.

fintail > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 03/14/2018 at 10:32

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I’d rather an E250 than GLK250 - the Tonka toy styling of the latter is funny to me. I can always find a handful of E250 for sale, but the right option and color mix is the problem - the car I want might be a 1 of 1. My lease car, with everything but Drivers Assist, is a bit of a unicorn in itself. MPG is definitely something I’d miss - on long highway drives, the E250 has exceeded 45 mpg many times.

There was a firm in New Mexico who federalized Gs back in the day, I forget the name, but these seem to be well-regarded. I dislike the steering wheel of ~2005-2012 models, and I don’t care for the COMAND in those either, so I’d avoid. I find rust to be an issue in old grey market cars, too - just body rust, but still very expensive to sort. The decaying roads here (no better in WA than OR) are a big reason I am thinking of something like this. I’d had 2 cars damaged by road defects.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > fintail 03/14/2018 at 15:14

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To each their own! I’d take an E but the extra ground clearance is a concern for my uses. I would love to done my fuel economy!

Mmmmmm big sidewalls and no pothole damage... So appealing!

fintail > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 03/14/2018 at 15:33

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I can get marginally taller sidewalls and ground clearance with a luxury trim car, but I suspect they are less than 10% of vehicles sent here. I don’t go off road, but something to compensate for decaying pavement sounds nice.

I never thought I’d want any kind of SUV, but some are at least on the radar now. Although if I lived in SUV central - flat middle America which often has smooth roads, I wouldn’t be tempted.